Reasoning for only allowing 1X scopes??????

[ol'MossHorns]

To Mr. Savage: I have not missed Game with my Muzzleloaders,infact after the smoke clears it's lying there dead. And yes I have passed up on shots that where not ethical or out of my effective range. ..... I know my limits and my Guns limts. Cause I am a SKILLED HUNTER.

[Loke]

In an earlier post the comment was made that 1x scopes are only allowed to keep the sport a short range affair. I still believe that. If a less experienced person is using a high magnification scope, they will be more likely to take a shot they have no business taking because the target looks "close enough". I hope that this clarifies my earlier comment.
As to the comment that competition shooters can't shoot precision (or 1/4 inch as you say) groups, you might check with all of those who shoot in the National Match competitions, and in the Olympics. They get to use iron sights. No scopes or dots allowed. And they are are a lot more precise than I'll ever be, and I'm willing to bet that they'll out shoot you with your high magnification scope.

But enough arguing about nothing. If you want to use a high magnification scope, go to the RAC meetings and try to get the regulation changed.

[brainamus]

"In an earlier post the comment was made that 1x scopes are only allowed to keep the sport a short range affair. I still believe that. If a less experienced person is using a high magnification scope, they will be more likely to take a shot they have no business taking because the target looks "close enough". I hope that this clarifies my earlier comment. "

THE POINT IS, A LESS EXPERIENCED PERSON IS GOING TO TAKE THAT SHOT, PERIOD!!!!!! Does not matter what is on top of his gun. Besides the same thing happens with rifles and bows. People always will take longer shots than they should. I think that is the third time I have written that, is it that hard to wrap your head around?

[Cowbouy]

Someone made the comment that they picked up black powder hunting to get away from the crowds of the rifle hunt and hunt an earlier season. Then YOU made the choice to use a 1 power scope.. If you want your magnification, stick to rifle. Those of us who chose this season because of sport and challenge are perfectly fine with open sights and 1x scopes. It's probably left this way to make guys like you think twice about changing your weapon of choice. So if you want to use a 1x scope, and get close enough to make the one shot you have count, then I'll see you in the field.. If you want to have magnification and a magazine full of back up shells, be my guest. Both seasons are great and hold their own challenges. Just remember that you knew what you were getting into before you bought the tag..

[Loke]

"In an earlier post the comment was made that 1x scopes are only allowed to keep the sport a short range affair. I still believe that. If a less experienced person is using a high magnification scope, they will be more likely to take a shot they have no business taking because the target looks "close enough". I hope that this clarifies my earlier comment. "

THE POINT IS, A LESS EXPERIENCED PERSON IS GOING TO TAKE THAT SHOT, PERIOD!!!!!! Does not matter what is on top of his gun. Besides the same thing happens with rifles and bows. People always will take longer shots than they should. I think that is the third time I have written that, is it that hard to wrap your head around?

The point that I've been trying to make is that if the target looks bigger, ie closer, a less experienced person is more likely to take the shot. Is it so hard to wrap your head around that???

[brainamus]

[b]THE POINT IS, A LESS EXPERIENCED PERSON IS GOING TO TAKE THAT SHOT, PERIOD!!!!!! [/b]Does not matter what is on top of his gun. Besides the same thing happens with rifles and bows. People always will take longer shots than they should. I think that is the third time I have written that, is it that hard to wrap your head around?[/quote]

The point that I've been trying to make is that if the target looks bigger, ie closer, a less experienced person is more likely to take the shot. Is it so hard to wrap your head around that???[/quote]

I understand and AGREE with you about the inexperienced person taking the shot. BUT, I also think that that person will take that shot with or without magnification.

[Loke]

If you really want to push the "primitive weapon" envelope, check out what you can use in Mississippi.

http://www.mdwfp.com/Level2/Wildlife/hunting_regs.asp

You can use your new Browning 1885 single shot and mount whatever scope you choose. Of course you need to use something larger than 38 caliber, but I think you could get by with the 45/70.

[Buck_Snort]

You say that we Muzzleloaders choose to hunt the season because there is less pressure. I can gaurantee you that if a law is passed to allow any magnification on Muzzleloaders, there will be alot more hunters in the field.
With my 1x scope I wont take a shot over 150 yards. If I had a scope to magnify what I was looking at I could make a better shot. I could range my gun in alot better, makingit more accurate at longer ranges. So a scope can help you shoot further! Are you trying to say that that if you have a 30-06 with a scope and you can shoot 500 yards, that you can do the same with open sights? BS! BS! BS! You can't even see the damn thing with the naked eye at 500 yards.
Like mentioned earlier, with a 1x red dot scope you have a hard enough time sighting in at 100 yards because a 10 MOA is going to cover most of the target.
I muzzleload because of the challenge to get within 100-150 yards. Anything further than that is a rifle shot to me.

[BRL1]

I have been thinking about starting to hunt with a muzzleloader and would be even more inclined to if Utah adopted Colorados regulations for them.

Right from the Colorado regs:

2. Muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets, provided the minimum caliber shall be
forty (.40) for all big game except elk and moose. The minimum caliber for elk and
moose shall be fifty (.50). All muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets from forty
(.40) caliber through fifty (.50) caliber must use a bullet of at least 170 grains in weight.
All muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets greater than fifty (.50) caliber must use
bullets of at least 210 grains in weight.
a. During the muzzle-loading firearms seasons for deer, elk, pronghorn, bear, and
moose only lawful muzzle-loaders and smoothbore muskets may be used by
muzzle-loading license holders.
b. During the muzzle-loading firearm seasons for deer, elk, pronghorn, bear, and
moose the following additional restrictions apply:
1. Propellent/Powders: The use of pelletized powder systems and
smokeless powder are prohibited.
2. Projectiles: Sabots are prohibited. For the purposes of this regulation
cloth patches are not sabots.
3. Loading: Firearms must load from the muzzle. Firearms which can be
loaded from the breech are prohibited.
4. Sights: Any muzzle-loading rifle or smoothbore musket with any sighting
device other than open or “iron” sights is prohibited.

With these regs it would make it a truer "primitive hunt" which I am all for.

So I wouldn't complain too much about Utahs regs for the muzzy.

[.54]

I have been thinking about starting to hunt with a muzzleloader and would be even more inclined to if Utah adopted Colorados regulations for them.

Right from the Colorado regs:

2. Muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets, provided the minimum caliber shall be
forty (.40) for all big game except elk and moose. The minimum caliber for elk and
moose shall be fifty (.50). All muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets from forty
(.40) caliber through fifty (.50) caliber must use a bullet of at least 170 grains in weight.
All muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets greater than fifty (.50) caliber must use
bullets of at least 210 grains in weight.
a. During the muzzle-loading firearms seasons for deer, elk, pronghorn, bear, and
moose only lawful muzzle-loaders and smoothbore muskets may be used by
muzzle-loading license holders.
b. During the muzzle-loading firearm seasons for deer, elk, pronghorn, bear, and
moose the following additional restrictions apply:
1. Propellent/Powders: The use of pelletized powder systems and
smokeless powder are prohibited.
2. Projectiles: Sabots are prohibited. For the purposes of this regulation
cloth patches are not sabots.
3. Loading: Firearms must load from the muzzle. Firearms which can be
loaded from the breech are prohibited.
4. Sights: Any muzzle-loading rifle or smoothbore musket with any sighting
device other than open or “iron” sights is prohibited.

With these regs it would make it a truer "primitive hunt" which I am all for.

So I wouldn't complain too much about Utahs regs for the muzzy.

+1

[Tagalong]

+2

Pretty much the same story in idaho as well. Utah is pretty lenient already in their muzzleloader regs.

[GaryFish]

Montana is the same way. Except they don't even have a muzzy season. If you want to hunt with the smokestick, do it in the rifle season.

[shaner]

Brainamus,
You are going the right direction but in the wrong place. You will never win your argument on this site with so many closed minds. Everyone forgets that the season is named 'muzzleloader' for a reason. It is not named '#11 cap season', 'only 1 power magnification season', or 'loose powder only season'. The whole idea is to give a season to the guys who are willing to risk their efforts, whatever level they should be able to put in to it, to that one moment when they pull the trigger that if they miss their target that they have to re-load their gun through the muzzle! I am willing to join you for signatures or whatever you think it will take but I do not believe you will get anywhere with this post.